{"id":133933,"date":"2026-02-17T15:11:34","date_gmt":"2026-02-17T14:11:34","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/?p=133933"},"modified":"2026-02-17T15:21:59","modified_gmt":"2026-02-17T14:21:59","slug":"furcsa-jelensegre-bukkantunk-az-egyik-erdi-utcaban","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/en\/2026\/02\/17\/furcsa-jelensegre-bukkantunk-az-egyik-erdi-utcaban\/","title":{"rendered":"Furcsa jelens\u00e9gre bukkantunk az egyik \u00e9rdi utc\u00e1ban"},"content":{"rendered":"

A minap \u00c9rd mad\u00e1rneves r\u00e9sz\u00e9n j\u00e1rtam, ritk\u00e1n ugyan, de szokott arra vinni az utam. A Batthy\u00e1ny iskol\u00e1hoz vezet\u0151 utc\u00e1k egyik\u00e9ben pedig \u00e9rdekes dologra lettem figyelmes, m\u00e9gpedig arra, hogy valami gond van a h\u00e1zsz\u00e1mt\u00e1bl\u00e1kkal. Nos, nem az, hogy nincsenek, hanem \u00e9pp ellenkez\u0151leg, vannak.<\/p>\n

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Sz\u00e9pen legy\u00e1rtott t\u00e1bl\u00e1k, rajta a h\u00e1zsz\u00e1m \u00e9s felette az utca neve: Papag\u00e1j utca. Igen \u00e1m, de ahogy haladok az aut\u00f3val, megpillantom a k\u00f6vetkez\u0151 t\u00e1bl\u00e1t, felki\u00e1ltok magamban, ahogy egykor Gr\u00e9tsy tan\u00e1r \u00far tette: „\u00c1lljunk meg egy sz\u00f3ra!”<\/p>\n

Papag\u00e1ly utca, olvasom kereked\u0151 szemekkel. A helyes\u00edr\u00e1s mindig fontos volt sz\u00e1momra, \u00edgy sokszor megakad a szemem az ilyen nyelvtani mer\u00e9nyleteken. Persze, sok helyen tal\u00e1lkozni ehhez hasonl\u00f3 jelens\u00e9gekkel, de ez az \u00e9rdi utca az\u00e9rt is k\u00fcl\u00f6nleges, mert itt nem egy ilyen van, hanem t\u00f6bb.<\/p>\n

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Az ember azt \u00e9rzi, mintha tudatosan k\u00e9t t\u00e1borra szakadtak volna az utc\u00e1ban \u00e9l\u0151k, hiszen sokakn\u00e1l a papag\u00e1j haszn\u00e1latos, de legal\u00e1bb ennyien vannak azok, akik a papag\u00e1lyt v\u00e9lik helyesnek. Egym\u00e1ssal szemben, egym\u00e1s mellett \u00e9l\u0151 szomsz\u00e9dokn\u00e1l is fellelhet\u0151 az elt\u00e9r\u0151 forma, de l\u00e1tsz\u00f3lag ez nem zavar senkit.<\/p>\n

Val\u00f3sz\u00edn\u0171leg helyes\u00edr\u00e1si vitad\u00e9lut\u00e1nt sem tartottak m\u00e9g az utc\u00e1ban, \u00edgy nem is juthattak k\u00f6z\u00f6s nevez\u0151re a lak\u00f3k, ez legal\u00e1bb r\u00e1mutat az elt\u00e9r\u0151 formahaszn\u00e1latra.<\/p>\n

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Pr\u00f3b\u00e1ltam gondolkozni az ott \u00e9l\u0151k fej\u00e9vel, de hi\u00e1ba j\u00f6ttek a hajmereszt\u0151 megfejt\u00e9sek, k\u00f6zelebb nem jutottam a megold\u00e1shoz. Tal\u00e1n m\u00e1r fel sem t\u0171nik nekik ez az „apr\u00f3s\u00e1g”, annyira hozz\u00e1szoktak a t\u00e1bl\u00e1k ny\u00fajtotta l\u00e1tv\u00e1nyhoz.<\/p>\n

Kicsit ut\u00e1nan\u00e9ztem, hogy mi okozhatja ezt a fene nagy bizonytalans\u00e1got az \u00e9rdi lak\u00f3kn\u00e1l, h\u00e1tha k\u00f6zelebb ker\u00fcl\u00f6k a megfejt\u00e9shez. Felt\u00fartam az internetet, ami tal\u00e1n magyar\u00e1zatot adhat a megmagyar\u00e1zhatatlanra.<\/p>\n

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Arra voltam k\u00edv\u00e1ncsi, hogy volt-e a nyelvt\u00f6rt\u00e9net\u00fcnk sor\u00e1n olyan id\u0151szak, amikor „ly”-s alak is elfogadott volt<\/a>, amit azt\u00e1n v\u00e9g\u00e9rv\u00e9nyesen v\u00e1ltott a „j” v\u00e9gz\u0151d\u00e9s. A Nyelvm\u0171vel\u0151 k\u00e9zik\u00f6nyv<\/em> szerint 1923 \u00f3ta csak az ut\u00f3bbi alakot fogadj\u00e1k el helyesnek. Ugyanakkor m\u00e1r az 1913-as helyes\u00edr\u00e1si sz\u00f3t\u00e1rban \u00e9s az 1903-as iskolai helyes\u00edr\u00e1sban is j-vel szerepel a mad\u00e1r neve, teh\u00e1t ami\u00f3ta a k\u00e9rd\u00e9st szab\u00e1lyozz\u00e1k, a papag\u00e1j a helyes forma.<\/p>\n

Ha pedig kor\u00e1bbra rep\u00fcl\u00fcnk az id\u0151ben, akkor az ellenkez\u0151j\u00e9re is tal\u00e1lhatunk n\u00e9mi magyar\u00e1zatot, hiszen A magyar nyelv sz\u00f3t\u00f6rt\u00e9neti-etimol\u00f3giai sz\u00f3t\u00e1ra<\/em> k\u00fcl\u00f6n kit\u00e9r a papag\u00e1ly v\u00e1ltozatra, mely szerint ez az \u00edr\u00e1sm\u00f3d m\u00e1r 1801-ben felbukkan. Ha pedig l\u00e9tezett ez a v\u00e9gz\u0151d\u00e9s\u0171 forma, akkor az \u00edr\u00e1sm\u00f3d nyelvt\u00f6rt\u00e9netileg megalapozott.<\/p>\n

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\u00c9rdekess\u00e9g pedig az, hogy b\u00e1r a helyes\u00edr\u00e1si k\u00e9zik\u00f6nyvek m\u00e1r a sz\u00e1zad elej\u00e9t\u0151l csak a papag\u00e1j \u00edr\u00e1sm\u00f3dot fogadj\u00e1k el, a Nyugat<\/em> c\u00edm\u0171 foly\u00f3iratban 68 papag\u00e1j mellett 14 papag\u00e1ly szerepel. Alfred Brehm Az \u00e1llatok vil\u00e1ga <\/em>c\u00edm\u0171 legend\u00e1s ismeretterjeszt\u0151 m\u0171v\u00e9nek magyar v\u00e1ltozat\u00e1ban szint\u00e9n 68 papag\u00e1j szerepel, de mellett\u00fck 104 papag\u00e1ly is felbukkan.<\/p>\n

Helyes\u00edr\u00e1s ide, helyes\u00edr\u00e1s oda, titkon mutogathatunk a nagy nyugatos szerz\u0151kre is, hogy k\u00f6zel egy \u00e9vsz\u00e1zaddal ezel\u0151tt m\u00e9g \u0151k is bizonytalanok voltak, mindenesetre ne ez legyen a helyes utat megvil\u00e1g\u00edt\u00f3 f\u00e1klya a magyar helyes\u00edr\u00e1s \u00fatveszt\u0151iben.<\/p>\n

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Az pedig m\u00e1r csak hab a tort\u00e1n, hogy az utca egyik v\u00e9g\u00e9n egy \u00e1ltal\u00e1nos iskola van, ahova reggelente di\u00e1kok sz\u00e1zai mennek, k\u00f6z\u00fcl\u00fck pedig sokan olvass\u00e1k ezeket a t\u00e1blafeliratokat. A pedag\u00f3gusok pedig a helyes\u00edr\u00e1s dolgozatok jav\u00edt\u00e1s\u00e1n\u00e1l d\u00f6bbennek r\u00e1, hogy az \u00e9rdi „mad\u00e1rneves \u00e9let” bizony egyesekn\u00e9l sokkal er\u0151sebb iskol\u00e1nak bizonyul.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

A Papag\u00e1j utc\u00e1ban a helyes\u00edr\u00e1snak k\u00fcl\u00f6nb\u00f6z\u0151 dimenzi\u00f3i vannak.<\/p>","protected":false},"author":27,"featured_media":133988,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"none","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","ast-disable-related-posts":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"default","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"set","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[1,463,461,462,464,460],"cikk_cimkek":[6310,4578],"content_flags":[],"content_icons":[],"class_list":["post-133933","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-erdmost","category-fontos","category-jobbfent","category-kiemelt","category-kozerdeku","category-top","cikk_cimkek-helyesiras","cikk_cimkek-papagaj-utca"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/133933","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/27"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=133933"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/133933\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":134004,"href":"https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/133933\/revisions\/134004"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/133988"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=133933"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=133933"},{"taxonomy":"cikk_cimkek","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/cikk_cimkek?post=133933"},{"taxonomy":"content_flags","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/content_flags?post=133933"},{"taxonomy":"content_icons","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/content_icons?post=133933"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}