{"id":110650,"date":"2024-11-13T12:55:19","date_gmt":"2024-11-13T11:55:19","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/?p=110650"},"modified":"2024-11-14T07:48:06","modified_gmt":"2024-11-14T06:48:06","slug":"az-erdi-lelkesz-botranyarol-egyeztettek","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/en\/2024\/11\/13\/az-erdi-lelkesz-botranyarol-egyeztettek\/","title":{"rendered":"Az \u00e9rdi lelk\u00e9sz botr\u00e1ny\u00e1r\u00f3l egyeztettek"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Fabiny Tam\u00e1ssal, a Magyarorsz\u00e1gi Evang\u00e9likus Egyh\u00e1z eln\u00f6k-p\u00fcsp\u00f6k\u00e9vel folytatott megbesz\u00e9l\u00e9st dr. Gr\u00f3sz Andor, a Magyarorsz\u00e1gi Zsid\u00f3 Hitk\u00f6zs\u00e9gek Sz\u00f6vets\u00e9g\u00e9nek az eln\u00f6ke \u2013 <a href=\"https:\/\/mazsihisz.hu\/accessible\/hirek-a-zsido-vilagbol\/mazsihisz-hirek\/az-evangelikus-egyhaz-elnok-puspokevel-targyalt-a-mazsihisz-elnoke\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">sz\u00e1molt be az esem\u00e9nyr\u0151l a mazsihisz.hu<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>A tal\u00e1lkoz\u00f3n elhangzott, hogy a hazai evang\u00e9likus egyh\u00e1z \u00e9s a Mazsihisz k\u00f6z\u00f6tt kiv\u00e1l\u00f3 a kapcsolat, illetve egy\u00fcttm\u0171k\u00f6d\u00e9s, amit \u2013 a besz\u00e1mol\u00f3 szerint \u2013 az is mutat, hogy hangs\u00falyosan ker\u00fcltek sz\u00f3ba Labossa P\u00e9ternek, az \u00c9rdi Evang\u00e9likus Egyh\u00e1zk\u00f6zs\u00e9gnek az id\u00e9n augusztusban tett, orsz\u00e1gos felh\u00e1borod\u00e1st okozott kijelent\u00e9sei.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_110685\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-110685\" style=\"width: 2048px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-110685 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/grosz_andor_mazsihisz.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2048\" height=\"1366\" srcset=\"https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/grosz_andor_mazsihisz.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/grosz_andor_mazsihisz-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/grosz_andor_mazsihisz-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/grosz_andor_mazsihisz-18x12.jpg 18w, https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/grosz_andor_mazsihisz-840x560.jpg 840w, https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/grosz_andor_mazsihisz-1100x734.jpg 1100w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2048px) 100vw, 2048px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-110685\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><em>dr. Gr\u00f3sz Andor, eln\u00f6k, Magyarorsz\u00e1gi Zsid\u00f3 Hitk\u00f6zs\u00e9gek Sz\u00f6vets\u00e9ge<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/en\/2024\/08\/08\/van-amikor-az-isten-sir-az-ember-cselekedetei-lattan\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Mint arr\u00f3l az \u00c9rdMost is besz\u00e1molt<\/a>, a t\u00f6bbi k\u00f6zt az al\u00e1bbi mondatok hangzottak el az \u00e9rdi evang\u00e9likus templomban:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201eLehet antiszemit\u00e1nak nevezni b\u00e1rkit, ez ma egy nagyon j\u00f3 b\u00e9lyegz\u00e9s tud lenni, de gondoljuk \u00e1t a t\u00f6rt\u00e9nelemben mi volt: a v\u00e1lasztott n\u00e9p elutas\u00edtja J\u00e9zust, J\u00e9zus elmondja a pr\u00f3f\u00e9ci\u00e1t, megt\u00f6rt\u00e9nik a n\u00e9p \u00e9let\u00e9ben, ott, J\u00e9zus keresztje alatt azt mondj\u00e1k, hogy \u00bbv\u00e9re rajtunk \u00e9s gyermekeinken\u00ab, ami azt jelenti, hogy mi felv\u00e1llaljuk J\u00e9zusnak a hal\u00e1l\u00e1t \u00e9s annak minden k\u00f6vetkezm\u00e9ny\u00e9t. Az ut\u00e1nunk k\u00f6vetkez\u0151k, \u00e9vsz\u00e1zadok \u00e9s \u00e9vezredek gener\u00e1ci\u00f3j\u00e1ra vonatkoz\u00f3an is felv\u00e1llaljuk ennek a k\u00f6vetkezm\u00e9ny\u00e9t. \u00c9s akkor nem kell messzebb menni a holokauszt \u00e9s egy\u00e9b k\u00e9rd\u00e9sekben, hogy Isten mi\u00e9rt engedte. Nem Isten terv\u00e9ben volt ez benne, de valami miatt Isten megengedte. \u00c9s hogy mi l\u00e1ssuk ezeket az \u00f6sszef\u00fcgg\u00e9seket, \u00e9s nem a zsid\u00f3 n\u00e9pen kell k\u00f6sz\u00f6r\u00fclni magunkat, a nyelv\u00fcnket meg b\u00e1rminket. Hanem l\u00e1tni azt, hogy Isten nem sz\u00f3rakozni h\u00edtt benn\u00fcnket.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div class=\"ast-oembed-container\" style=\"height: 100%;\"><iframe  width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/KvIy4H65BlI?start=2&#038;feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<p>Fabiny Tam\u00e1s, miut\u00e1n meghallgatta a teljes pr\u00e9dik\u00e1ci\u00f3t,<a href=\"https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/en\/2024\/08\/09\/fabiny-tamas-elhatarolodott-az-erdi-lelkesz-szavaitol\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"> egy k\u00f6zlem\u00e9nyben hat\u00e1rol\u00f3dott el az \u00e9rdi lelk\u00e9sz gondolatmenet\u00e9t\u0151l<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201eAz igemagyar\u00e1zat egyes r\u00e9szeit \u00fagy lehetett \u00e9rtelmezni, mintha a holokausztot Isten a J\u00e9zust elutas\u00edt\u00f3 zsid\u00f3 csoportok magatart\u00e1sa \u00e9s szavai miatt engedte volna meg. Ett\u0151l az egyh\u00e1z eln\u00f6k-p\u00fcsp\u00f6kek\u00e9nt elhat\u00e1rol\u00f3dom. Egyh\u00e1zunk az antiszemitizmussal szemben a z\u00e9r\u00f3 tolerancia elv\u00e9t k\u00f6veti. A tan\u00edt\u00e1s egyszer\u0171: az evang\u00e9liumot k\u00f6vet\u0151 ember \u2013 hitvall\u00e1si okokb\u00f3l \u2013 nem lehet antiszemita\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\u2013 fogalmazott Fabiny, aki ugyanakkor hozz\u00e1tette, noha sajn\u00e1latos, ami t\u00f6rt\u00e9nt, de pozit\u00edvumk\u00e9nt \u00e9rt\u00e9kelte, hogy Labossa P\u00e9terrel \u0151szint\u00e9n \u00e9s testv\u00e9ri m\u00f3don tudtak besz\u00e9lni az \u00fcgyr\u0151l, \u00e9s az \u00e9rdi lelk\u00e9sz bel\u00e1tta, hogy hib\u00e1zott. Az egyh\u00e1z vezet\u0151je egy\u00fattal arr\u00f3l is megbizonyosodott, hogy a t\u00f6rt\u00e9ntek ellen\u00e9re Labossa J\u00e9zus h\u0171s\u00e9ges tan\u00edtv\u00e1nyak\u00e9nt tudja folytatni a szolg\u00e1lat\u00e1t.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_110683\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-110683\" style=\"width: 1400px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-110683 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/fabiny_tamas_evangelikus.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1400\" height=\"931\" srcset=\"https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/fabiny_tamas_evangelikus.jpg 1400w, https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/fabiny_tamas_evangelikus-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/fabiny_tamas_evangelikus-768x511.jpg 768w, https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/fabiny_tamas_evangelikus-18x12.jpg 18w, https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/fabiny_tamas_evangelikus-842x560.jpg 842w, https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/fabiny_tamas_evangelikus-1100x732.jpg 1100w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1400px) 100vw, 1400px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-110683\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><em>Fabiny Tam\u00e1s, eln\u00f6k-p\u00fcsp\u00f6k, Magyarorsz\u00e1gi Evang\u00e9likus Egyh\u00e1z<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>A botr\u00e1nyos besz\u00e9d ut\u00e1n n\u00e9h\u00e1ny nappal <a href=\"https:\/\/erdmost.hu\/en\/2024\/08\/08\/bocsanatot-kert-az-erdi-lelkesz\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">egy\u00e9bk\u00e9nt maga az \u00e9rintett is kiadott egy k\u00f6zlem\u00e9nyt<\/a>, amiben eln\u00e9z\u00e9st k\u00e9rt mindazokt\u00f3l, akiket megb\u00e1ntott:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201eAz \u00e9rdi templomban 2024. augusztus 4-\u00e9n elmondott pr\u00e9dik\u00e1ci\u00f3mb\u00f3l saj\u00e1tos m\u00f3don kiemeltek r\u00e9szleteket, amelyeket \u00fagy lehetett \u00e9rtelmezni, mintha a holokauszt a J\u00e9zus korabeli zsid\u00f3 vezet\u0151k megnyilatkoz\u00e1sa miatt Isten b\u00fcntet\u00e9se lett volna. Ett\u0151l az \u00e9rtelmez\u00e9st\u0151l elhat\u00e1rol\u00f3dom. A holokauszt relativiz\u00e1l\u00e1s\u00e1nak minden form\u00e1j\u00e1t elutas\u00edtom. Ha b\u00e1rkit megb\u00e1ntottam, \u00edgy zsid\u00f3 testv\u00e9reimt\u0151l \u00e9s minden j\u00f3\u00e9rz\u00e9s\u0171 embert\u0151l bocs\u00e1natot k\u00e9rek.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\u2013 olvashattuk Labossa P\u00e9ter bocs\u00e1natk\u00e9r\u00e9s\u00e9t.<\/p>\n<p>Fabiny Tam\u00e1s \u00e9s Gr\u00f3sz Andor mostani tal\u00e1lkoz\u00f3j\u00e1ra visszat\u00e9rve, a felek meg\u00e1llapodtak abban, hogy az \u00e9rdihez hasonl\u00f3 esetek megel\u0151z\u00e9se \u00e9rdek\u00e9ben az egyh\u00e1z a j\u00f6v\u0151ben k\u00fcl\u00f6nb\u00f6z\u0151 el\u0151ad\u00e1sokat szervez majd, amihez a Mazsihisz eln\u00f6ke felaj\u00e1nlotta a Sz\u00f6vets\u00e9g seg\u00edts\u00e9g\u00e9t \u00e9s k\u00f6zrem\u0171k\u00f6d\u00e9s\u00e9t.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A holokausztot relativiz\u00e1l\u00f3 pr\u00e9dik\u00e1ci\u00f3 is sz\u00f3ba ker\u00fclt a Magyarorsz\u00e1gi Evang\u00e9likus Egyh\u00e1z \u00e9s a Mazsihisz vezet\u0151j\u00e9nek k\u00f6zelm\u00faltbeli 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